2010/02/11 Lemmings down Festergut
Tonight, in a raid filled with very tough fights, our brave Lemmings have downed the fifth boss of Icecrown Citadel, Festergut.
Raid report is here.
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great job everyone tonight, i
Submitted by Coyy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 01:59.
great job everyone tonight, i think my dps was lacking a little but i did seem to be getting the vile gas a lot
But the boss went down so awsome job!!
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nicely done folks. nice to
Submitted by matzy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 02:28.
nicely done folks. nice to see another boss down.
Nice stuff guys, well done
Submitted by Wilgje on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 02:32.
Nice stuff guys, well done
just a note on buffs, i think
Submitted by Coyy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 08:38.
just a note on buffs, i think when we have a warrior there then battle shout should be used instead of might so that it frees up another pally buff.
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Pally buffs
Submitted by Tuanur on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 09:18.
just a note on buffs, i think when we have a warrior there then battle shout should be used instead of might so that it frees up another pally buff.
If I remember correctly, we had three paladins with us, so their should have been room for all the paly buffs. And might lasts for 30 minutes while my battle shout lasts for 4 minutes (6 in case a warrior has the tallents for it). And in case of the use of BS, we can't give the extra health of Command Shout (unless we got two warriors present).
but with kings, might,
Submitted by Coyy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 09:28.
but with kings, might, sanctuary, wisdom thats four buffs.
Sactuary isn't good for everyone granted but neither is might or wisdom. I just think that there needs to be some synergie with buffs sometimes to give everyone the ones they need.
This is my own personal viewpoint ofc and has no influence on the raid leaders assignments but last night it seemed i had either might or wisdom and i really needed the equivilent to both
Either way we got the boss down alhough it was a tight affair and we should be proud.
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Regarding paladin buffs: I
Submitted by Xeneonic on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 10:23.
Regarding paladin buffs:
I was healing as a Paladin and buffed BoK
Spitbeard was tanking as a Paladin and buffed BoM or BoW
Grimhrid was also tanking as a Paladin and buffed BoS
I think the Sanctuary buff was a useful buff as it reduces damage taken by 3%. This may not sound a lot, but for example, Neti had 1% life left after one of the inhales (iirc). If he didn't have BoS he would surely have died and we'd have triggered the enrage timer on Festergut.
I really think that BoS showed today what difference it can make. 3% isn't much, but it was enough to make us able to down Festergut.
Thats a fair point and one i
Submitted by Coyy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 10:43.
Thats a fair point and one i hadnt considered (i was tired whan i was thinking about it last night and only just woken up when i wrote this morning
)
But with what Xen has said a battle shout would give physical dps the full buffset.
I may be reading the logs wrong but i can't see a commanding shout on the festergut fight but i admit i am at work so only had a quick look.
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Pally Buffs and Command Shout
Submitted by Tuanur on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 11:33.
From what I remember reading about pally buffs, it is class wide instead of raid wide. Means that if a pally buffs BoK, he has to do that for each class pressent. So he gives BoK to a hunter, all hunters get it and then he has to give it again to the warriors so all warriors have it. Correct me if I'm wrong about this though. Not familiar with the working of pally buffs, just remember vaguly I read that somewhere.
And Coyy, it is correct that you didn't see a Command Shout yesterday, since I didn't use it. Imo it serves the raid better when I don't use it, as it has a two minute duriation. I can't use it at the start because of the shattering throw (20% armor reduction) I use at the beginning to get the max out of everyones CD usage and during the fight I already have trouble holding my rage up so I can keep up the dps (wich was imo a good thing to do since we got him barely before the beserker time).
Right Tuanur, it's
Submitted by Wilgje on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 11:47.
Right Tuanur, it's classwide.
Paladin buffs aren't as annoying as they used to be (once upon a time 2 minute duration...) but the overwrite with that warrior shout is really frustrating
It's only a small observation
Submitted by Coyy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 11:49.
It's only a small observation i made last night and really it isn't that important but until we get bosses on farm and overgear them every available buff we can get should be used imo especially on a fight like Festergut which is tight and well tuned.
Thats just my own philosophy and perhaps the only thing i can get anal about, so feel free to laugh it off and ignore me
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Well
Submitted by Tuanur on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 12:48.
As Wilgje confirmed that pally buffs are classwide, it shouldn't be a problem to get buffs switched. Unless you want all 4 of them. Not sure if you have any use for the Wisdom Buff.
That means that I can keep my commanding shout buff free in case it is needed (like when festergut has inhaled three times) for some extra health.
Problem with the warrior buffs is that they are very short and need rage to work. And the rage I get from bloodrage I need for the throw. When I don't have to use the throw (because we have a rogue for example) I can use the extra rage for the buff.
If we have 3 pallys like last
Submitted by Coyy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 13:24.
If we have 3 pallys like last night:
1 buffs Kings - 10% Stats
1 buffs Sanctuary - 3% less damage + stam and Str
1 buffs Wisdom - 91 Mp5 or might - min 550ap
Lani
Horn of Winter - agi + strength
Coyy
Trueshot aura - +10% ap
Asphordel
Fortitude - Stam
Shadow Resistance - shadow resist
Spirit buff - spirit
Lunarfury - GotW +stats
That would leave you Tuanur free to use Battle shout to buff the physical damage dealers more.
You didn't use commanding shout and we went well without it (great healing by the 3 healers it has to be said) so a refreshed Battleshout in this instance would have been good with 4/5 of the dps being physical damage dealers and 2 out of 5 being physical damage that use mana so would benefit from the Mp5 that wisdom gives.
Although you and Lani did indeed get might with getting wisdom other dps were missing the full range of buffs which is why i was suggesting you buffing BS
I hope this rambling post makes sense and is not just seen as me crying because i didnt get a certain buff, its just like i say i believ that trying to make sure on progress bosses that the complete buffs that are available are used is important
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Pallies usually cast might
Submitted by Daz on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 13:29.
Pallies usually cast might 'or' wisdom as a buff, but I think all Coyy is saying, that both buffs would help the hunter class, the extra mana regen for them final few seconds is probably as crucial as the 1% health thingy, in a fight as close to this, every 1% of anything could make the difference.
This was a great fight, watching his health on them last few seconds with practically no mana and counting down the enrage in your head was edge of the seat stuff.
Great fight with lots of effort from everyone, well done to all groups on the weeks of practice needed to do this.
Another way to look at it is,
Submitted by Coyy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 13:45.
Another way to look at it is, if i had specced survival like neti would we have killed the boss with the physical dps including tanks having 10% less AP?
Or lani wasnt specced for Ebon plague to give himslef and daz 13% extra damage
All buffs are important even the small ones
lol i have said enough now, im starting to bore myself so i will leave it there and just reitterate that it was a great job last night and we passed a definate gear check.
Edited for clarification
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Good work guys, I was lurking
Submitted by Sephy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 14:32.
Good work guys, I was lurking on TS at the time listening to the action so I heard the "WOOOOOP!!!" and knew you'd finally done it!
So does this mean Festergut is on farm, then? XD
Ah
Submitted by Tuanur on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 14:42.
So a hunter does benefit from Wisdom then? Or was I just really sleeping all this time and didn't realise hunters use mana as well (I thought it was more like the engery rogues have)?
Oh well, we can sort it out next time we get a go at festergut.
Sadly I can't spec my battleshout to last for 6 minutes. 
time was we always cast BoW
Submitted by matzy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 14:58.
time was we always cast BoW on Hunters. Now they prefer BoM, but put simply if they can get both (+BoK) you got a happy Huntard
Lies, lies, lies, matzy a
Submitted by Coyy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 15:01.
Lies, lies, lies, matzy a huntard is only happy duel wielding maces
But give kings, wisdom, Sanctuary and battleshout i will not MD the boss on to you, maybe
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Everything is a hunter buff
Submitted by Tuanur on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 15:08.
So next to that everything is a hunter weapon, it also seems that everything is a hunter buff now as well.
I'll keep it in mind for the next run coyy.
buff huntards!!
Submitted by Coyy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 15:12.
did i mention i want a feral druid too for 5% crit
Coyy - championing huntards since 2007
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I keep laughing to myself on
Submitted by Daz on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 15:36.
I keep laughing to myself on one of the previous fights where someone had the spore on them, and couldn't make up there mind where they had to be, lol, so they ran away from both groups to be safe, that was and still is sooo funny , hehe
'OVER HERE!!! NO THE OTHER WAY!! NOOO, TO THE OTHER GROUP !!'
Sorry, don't know who it was, but it was quality comedy
was that when I was there too
Submitted by matzy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 16:03.
was that when I was there too Daz? Yeah that happened a couple of times then also and it is quite amusing lol
some thoughts on (pally) buffs.
Submitted by Grimhrid on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 16:12.
All the viable specs the different classes have these days, buffing as a paladin can sometimes force you too make some unpopular choices. Example: should you buff wisdom on the druids so the resto has more mana incoming, or should the kitty dps be prioritized with might, etc.
Sometimes there isnt enough buffs to go around, and sometimes there are just too many. BoM being overwrittern by BS and Commanding Shout overwriting.... that lock stam buff thingie i cant remember the name of.
What I am trying to say is that with a group such as the lemmings where group composition is ever evolving, teamwork and being able see pros and cons of the different abilities gets more and more important.
(buffs are srs bisniz to me apparantly
)
The bossfight was awesome!
I stood there a couple of seconds puzzled and thinking to myself 'Did we make it?' before the cheers over TS informed me that we acutally did! 
BS and CS
Submitted by Tuanur on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 16:22.
What I hate about these are that they last so short. A max of 6 minutes when fully talented and glyphed. I always find myself either forgetting or breacking my rotation when on buff duty. :S
Change to make BS and CS last for 30 or 60 minutes please.
Also, we didn't get the
Submitted by Xeneonic on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 18:42.
Also, we didn't get the "optimal" 10-man raid in terms of classes. Such as pointed out earlier, the 5% crit from a feral, Mana tide totem from a resto shaman AND heroism, spell critical from a moonkin, INT buff from mages, shadowpriest for the mana. Things like these of course count more and more towards victory.
However, we sure beat Festergut (By a small margin, but still!) and I think the whole team deserves a kudos for that!
you are correct Xene. Far
Submitted by matzy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 18:49.
you are correct Xene. Far from optimal for a Lemming run. An optimal lemming run consists of 6 paladins 2 hunters and 2 mages
For the Paladins!
Submitted by Tibal on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 20:52.
I'd of said 7 paladins 2 hunters and one sacrificial mage myself matzy
and Big Grats on the kill! I know hes a hard nut to crack.
Pallie blessings
Submitted by Spitbeard on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 21:18.
Well, let me give my small insight on pallie buffing.
Although the greater blessings are class wide and last 30 minutes, the normal blessings are just for one player and last 10 minutes. So it's quite possible for one pallie to give 2 hunters two different blessings. That's what I did last raid.
What's not possible is that one pallie gives more than one blessing to one player. So choices have to be made, like Grim stated earlier. For this raid, kings & sanctuary were without question imho. As we (only
) had 3 pallies, that meant a choice between might and wisdom.
It started out small...keep getting smaller [Matt The Electrician]
I miss the days in TBC where
Submitted by Xeneonic on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 21:46.
I miss the days in TBC where "Hand of Salvation" was "Blessing of Salvation" and reduced threat by 10%. That way we have a good reason to get even more paladins in our raid!
Hand of Salvation
Submitted by Spitbeard on Sat, 13/02/2010 - 12:08.
I miss the days in TBC where "Hand of Salvation" was "Blessing of Salvation" and reduced threat by 10%. That way we have a good reason to get even more paladins in our raid!
I don't miss those good old TBC days at all. I love what's happening here & now
I did use Hand of Salvation after every taunt when 9 Gastric Bloats were reached, so I would loose my aggro fast. If my aggro was still too high I wouldn't get a 10th Gastric Bloat by accident and wipe the raid.
It started out small...keep getting smaller [Matt The Electrician]
lol true
Submitted by matzy on Fri, 12/02/2010 - 22:35.
lol true
I miss blessing of salvation
Submitted by Wilgje on Sat, 13/02/2010 - 00:53.
I miss blessing of salvation
and Alwyns ingame purse does too 
Big Gratz on a tough fight
Submitted by Drakinkoren on Sat, 13/02/2010 - 10:52.
Big Gratz on a tough fight guys well done
Spit there are tips on how to
Submitted by Wilgje on Sat, 13/02/2010 - 12:11.
Spit there are tips on how to tank those gastric bloat on maintankadin.failsafedesigns.com in the forums. Indeed losing threat but also bubbling and other things to lose threat.